Dating of J. Hudson & Co. Acme Whistles Ltd. Tube TNT -Two Notes Whistles, NEWS ! Victorian & Post Victorian Times By Whistle Stamps. A. Strauss

Victorian and Post Victorian General Service whistles made by J. Hudson & Co. before 1902 and Post 1902 system for Dating whistles by Stamps.

A Guide to Dating J. Hudson Whistles.

This is a work is certainly great news for whistle collectors about Dating the
J. Hudson & Co. whistles  in The 19th Cent and the early Part of the 20th Century.
Dating Two Note Tube whistles – T.N.T.W
(Also known by function as GSW – General Service Whistles)

The article is based on CAREFUL OBSERVATION of  STAMPS and DETAILS brings a new set of thumb rules when dating Hudson whistles.
some points here are really for the ADVANCED COLLECTOR.
This article is a  great addition, in fact a ground breaking and makes it possible to precisely date whistles which previously was done by mare address, The best addition to the tools of dating J. Hudson & Co. Police whistles and none police whistles as G.P.O and other services.

For many years the dating system was based on 4 basic elements shapes of a whistle’s parts (see interlude ).
These are:  The Mouthpiece, The Loop, The address on Body and the one which one can not see without looking into the whistle itself that is the Diaphragm disk construction. Most advanced collectors are familiar with these and use to determine the date.

We learn that the address does NOT always correspond with date made , or serves as an always an accurate tool for knowing the exact year-date made.

Many marked 13 Barr St. where actually made later at 244 Barr St and stamped with the older address . This explains a 13 Barr st. address stamped whistle with a military date of 1910, 1911, 1912, 1913 for example.

I will try to bring it in a chronological in 3 Main parts :

Interlude
Table one and variations in a closer look
Table II and variations in a closer look

So take a CLOSE LOOK at the stamps :
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Interlude

( As interlude a general view of Pre 1902 in the first line and Post 1902 in 2nd line : Stamps and whistle 3 main whistle parts, The next Three charts deal with each of the parts separately . )

The Mouthpiece
The early one is what I called ‘apple’  mouth Piece 1883 -1885
Second is the the ‘Sand clock’ shape 1886 -1920’s
and the third the ‘flattened Sand Clock’ 1920’s -Late 30’s

The Loop
4 Main Types of loops in  J. Hudson & Co. Tube whistles
Thin Concave 1882* -1900
Thicker Concave Loop 1901 -1908
Slightly concave on a two part top of Loop – Ring and cap. and Flat  ring 1908 onward . There are more variations looking at the loop from the other angle,
Viewing the hole , for example the later D shaped loop.

* 1882 is rare , made at 17 Mark st. few are known so in general we start at 1883 .
A General Chart of J. Hudson stamps , General View Pre and Post Victorian Period .

First PRE 1902 Table I Chart   Ia, Ib

Table I

 

I a

Table Ib

I c Example of more details    1887
No space between 131 and Barr St. ( the grey seems to show that clearer )

Post 1902 Table II , and More II a, II b, II c

Table II a Shows THE MARK THAT PROTRUDES out The J. Hudson stamp in ARCHED LINE letters (Pre 1902 ) and in STRAIGHT LINE (POST 1902 )

Table II

Dating Hudson TNT whistles  (Two notes Tube whistles ) post 1902 Chart. Two sub periods, 1902 to 1908
& 1909 – 1930s
General View
1909 to1930s Chart of Hudson & Co Stamps on Militarary & Police whistles

 

J. Hudson & Co. The 1902 – 1906 Two Note Tube whistles – T.N.T.W
A closer  look at stamps ;

 

II a
Table II a Shows THE MARK THAT PROTRUDES out to the bare eye and is EASY to see:
The J. Hudson stamp in ARCHED LINE letters (PRE 1902 ) and in STRAIGHT LINE (POST 1902 )

   1906 was lately updated

II b Particular additional observations  1906 – 7

II c
There seems to be a flaw in a lot of the 1908 whistles. It seems that the stamp was damaged and the top left quarter of the ‘O’  in   J.HUDSON  is missing.

II d
Patent in 1914 on is in STRAIGHT LINE BLOCK LETTERS

II f
Closeup of the Figure 13 Barr St.
1902 to 1905 The figure 1 is written as one staright line(American style) with no “tail” (European style)
The figure 3 has a short top line without a “angled corner”

II g
A Closer look, We  know about the moving to 244 Barr st in 1909 but the dating chart made goes by dated whistles.
They were stamped 13 barr st UNTIL 1913 :
Picture shows 1910 to 1914 whistles

Just a close Look at Loops and tops by J. Hudson & Co. from the years
1883 to 1918
Some collectors collect the Military whistles that have the YEAR DATE
The first one observes is 1899 and I had seen theae up to 1986 so soon there will be 100 years of dated years , we noted that the 1906 is very rare and so far seen on a Cavalry ring whistle by Hudson . a 1906 by DeCourcy was observed .

1902 to 1914 Military whistles and stamps close up.

I would like to thank John from whistle collection for his special insight effort and research here as well as contributing the graphic layout.   Since there were constant updates and it should be updated as this is still an on going research with many small details discovered through the years, which I did not always have time to update. (But should have)
Questions and comments are welcome .
Look up for coming articles with fantastic discoveries, 2016 was certainly the best for absolutely amazing whistles and makers of the past new facts that change
many of the facts we knew from previous books and articles.
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